Mike,

Do you agree with these statements by Andrew Jukes?

It is well to meditate on this, the perfectness yet the rejection of the victim in the Sin- offering, that we may learn how alone sin can be borne, and how it has been borne and pardoned. Had there been spot or blemish of any sort on Jesus, His offering could not have met and expiated sin. Had there been one desire in His heart unholy, one act, one word, one look, one thought imperfect, He could not have borne the curse for others: He would Himself have needed atonement.

Did Jesus never have an unholy desire? Did He never have an evil thought? This would say that the bottomless pit did not reside in Him and that He could not be tempted, correct?

Thanks,

J____

Amen, J____,

If any of this were true, then Christ’s flesh is not the same flesh that I have. If this statement were true, then Christ could not have asked His Father to forgo the cross.

If this statement by Jukes is true, then this statement by the author of Hebrews is not true:

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

The temptation itself is not the trespass. It is not a sin to be “tempted like as we are” with all the temptations with which we are tempted. The sin or trespass comes when lust is conceived and it brings forth sin in the form of a trespass.

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Andrew Jukes knew that Christ was made sin by being in a body of flesh, which misses the mark [ is sin] of being a spiritual body. Christ was flesh and blood, and this is what we know about that medium of construction:

Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay [ flesh and blood] was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Made of a woman, made under the law, being naked, and being flesh and blood, are one and all symbols of being “made sin” even though He “knew no sin”.

2Co 5:21 FOR HIM WHO KNEW NOT SIN FOR US SIN HE MADE, THAT WE MIGHT BECOME RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN HIM. (LIT)

A “spotless lamb” was not a spirit lamb. It was a lamb of sinful dying flesh which had not committed a trespass. The New Testament Greek simply does not have a word for trespass which distinguishes trespass from sin. The word ‘trespass’ is found only three times in the New Testament.

Here is Strong’s definition of this Greek word ‘hamartano’.

G264

ἁμαÏταÌνω

hamartanō

ham- ar- tan’- o

Perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the base of G3313; properly to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), that is, (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin: – for your faults, offend, sin, trespass.

Here are those three times:

Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

In all three cases it is translated from the Greek word ‘hamartano’, which appears in the New Testament 43 times, and it translated as ‘trespass’ but three times.

Here are all of those entries:

G264

ἁμαÏταÌνω

hamartanō

Total KJV Occurrences: 43

sin, 16

Mat 18:21, Joh 5:14, Joh 8:11, Joh 9:2, Rom 6:15, 1Co 8:12 (2), 1Co 15:34, Eph 4:26, 1Ti 5:20, Heb 10:26, 1Jn 2:1 (2), 1Jn 3:9, 1Jn 5:16 (2) sinned, 15

Mat 27:4, Luk 15:18, Luk 15:21, Joh 9:3, Rom 2:12 (2), Rom 3:23, Rom 5:12, Rom 5:14, Rom 5:16, 1Co 7:28 (2), Heb 3:17, 2Pe 2:4, 1Jn 1:10 sinneth, 7

1Co 6:18, 1Co 7:36, Tit3:11, 1Jn 3:6 (2), 1Jn 3:8, 1Jn 5:18 trespass, 3

Mat 18:15, Luk_17:3-4 (2)

faults, 1

1Pe 2:20

offended, 1

Act 25:8

As you can see, 38 of the 43 times this word appears in the New Testament, it is translated into some form of the word ‘sin’.

But the Greek word for ‘sin’ is very close to ‘hamartano’. It is the Greek word ‘hamartia’.

Here is how Strong’s defines ‘hamartia’.

G266

ἁμαÏτιÌα

hamartia

ham- ar- tee’- ah

From G264; sin (properly abstract): – offence, sin (- ful).

These are all the New Testament entries for this word:

G266

ἁμαÏτιÌα

hamartia

Total KJV Occurrences: 174

sin, 94

Mat_12:31, Joh_1:29, Joh_8:34 (2), Joh_8:46, Joh_9:41 (2), Joh_15:22 (2), Joh_15:24, Joh_16:8-9 (2), Joh_19:11, Act_7:60, Rom_3:9, Rom_3:20, Rom_4:8, Rom_5:12-13 (4), Rom_5:20-21 (2), Rom_6:1-2 (2), Rom_6:6-7 (3), Rom_6:10-14 (5), Rom_6:16-18 (3), Rom_6:20, Rom_6:22-23 (2), Rom_7:7-9 (5), Rom_7:11, Rom_7:13-14 (4), Rom_7:17, Rom_7:20, Rom_7:23, Rom_7:25, Rom_8:2-3 (3), Rom_8:10, Rom_14:23, 1Co_15:56 (2), 2Co_5:21 (2), Gal_2:17, Gal_3:22, 2Th_2:3, Heb_3:13, Heb_4:15, Heb_9:26, Heb_9:28, Heb_10:6, Heb_10:8, Heb_10:18, Heb_11:25, Heb_12:1, Heb_12:4, Heb_13:11, Jas_1:15 (2), Jas_2:9, Jas_4:17, 1Pe_2:22, 1Pe_4:1, 2Pe_2:14, 1Jn_1:7-8 (2), 1Jn_3:4-5 (3), 1Jn_3:8-9 (2), 1Jn_5:16-17 (4)

sins, 78

Mat_1:21, Mat_3:6, Mat_9:2, Mat_9:5-6 (2), Mat_26:28, Mar_2:4-5 (3), Mar_2:7, Mar_2:9-10 (2), Luk_1:77, Luk_3:3, Luk_5:20-21 (2), Luk_5:23-24 (2), Luk_7:47-49 (3), Luk_11:4, Luk_24:47, Joh_8:21, Joh_8:24 (2), Joh_9:34, Joh_20:23, Act_2:38, Act_3:19, Act_5:31, Act_10:43, Act_13:38, Act_22:16, Act_26:18, Rom_4:7, Rom_7:5, Rom_11:27, 1Co_15:3, 1Co_15:17, Gal_1:4, Eph_2:1, Col_1:14, Col_2:11, 1Th_2:16, 1Ti_5:22, 1Ti_5:24, 2Ti_3:6, Heb_1:3, Heb_2:17, Heb_5:1, Heb_5:3, Heb_7:27, Heb_8:12, Heb_9:28, Heb_10:2-4 (3), Heb_10:11-12 (2), Heb_10:17, Heb_10:26, Jas_5:15, Jas_5:20, 1Pe_2:24 (2), 1Pe_3:18, 1Pe_4:8, 2Pe_1:9, 1Jn_1:9 (2), 1Jn_2:2, 1Jn_2:12, 1Jn_3:5, 1Jn_4:10, Rev_1:5, Rev_18:4-5 (2)

offence, 1

2Co_11:7

sinful, 1

Rom_8:3

As you can see by reading the entries for these two words, that are virtually indistinguishable. You cannot say from reading these entries that one word applies to committing a sin, and the other word applies to being sin. Nevertheless the Old Testament sin and trespass offerings reveal that we are sin, as demonstrated by the sin offering in which no specific sin is mentioned and the trespass offering, in which many specific sins are enumerated.

I hope this helps you to see what I think you already see. It pains me to have to say this about a man who has been of such great help to me, but while Andrew Jukes was a very gifted man, especially when it came to explaining the types and shadows of scripture, he was not gifted at applying that knowledge to New Testament doctrine as revealed by Christ and His apostles.

The most glaring example of this is his inability to see that “He is not a Jew which is one outwardly, but he is a Jew which is one inwardly” (Rom 2:28).

Until the day he died, Jukes considered physical Jews to be God’s chosen people, and contended that God had two chosen people. This doctrine flies in the face of this verse of scripture:

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one [“both” Jews and Gentiles], and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Christ is not making of twain, twain as Andrew Jukes and the whole world would have us to believe. He is “mak[ ing] in Himself of twain one new man”.

In like manner, the body of Christ was the exact “same… as the children… of Abraham” (Heb 2:14) body of Adamic, sinful flesh and blood, and that is how “He made Him sin who knew no sin”. Christ Himself was the “spotless” sin offering which “knew no sin”. Yet He Himself considers those who are in Him to be the scapegoat offering, by which the trespass offering “fills up what is behind of the sufferings of the Christ for His body’s sake which is the church”.

Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:

In this way, Christ, through His Christ, fulfills every offering of the Old Testament, and while He Himself never committed a trespass, He was, by virtue of being Adamic on His mother’s side, “made sin”, and through us, as His body, who have all committed plenty of trespasses and sins, He also fulfills the trespass offering.

See these links of this subject:

http:// www. iswasandwillbe. com/ The_ Spiritual_ Significance_ Of_ The_ Sin_ Offering_ Part_ Two. php
http:// www. iswasandwillbe. com/ The_ Spiritual_ Significance_ Of_ The_ Trespass_ Offering. php

Your brother in the Christ,

Mike