Who Is Facing Judgment?
Hi Thanks.
You have given me a lot to digest.
Regarding what Jesus said in Mat 24 saying to the women who were weeping for Him. Jesus said not to weep for Him but for yourselves and your children for what is going to come upon you. I am paraphrasing here. Also He said to the High priest that he would see the coming of the Son of Man in the clouds which I was taught based on the OT apocalyptic language coming in clouds can mean Jesus coming in judgment of Israel and to them that crucified Him and rejected Him. That is why Jesus was struck by the high priest.
So I am to take that you are saying what happened in 70 A. D. wasn’t God coming in judgment so what was it?
Doesn’t God come in judgment now of nations as He has shown in the OT ?
So am I to understand that God is judging His own (elect) now and judgment will come later for the called as well as the unbelievers in the lake of fire?
I am just finding out that God is no respecter of persons. In my studies just the past few days realizing that the Jews are not God’s chosen people as Christendom has taught. I don’t have my Bible in front of me, but it is clear that God’s people are the ones that believe in HIm. His own. IN Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek. So it isn’t race that makes you chosen. Race has nothing to do with it. One is not a Jew outwardly. And even Abraham was not a Jew but from Babylon. So much for the title the father of the Jews. And most christians today see Israel as a nation chosen by God that cannot do any wrong. And the US supports Israel with billions because of this false belief. They think the US will be blessed and looking at the US now – this country has gone down the tubes in many ways. Doesn’t look like the blessings from God.
And what is so depressing is how corrupt and evil our government is. Or any man made institution.
So what does that mean for the U. S.? Or Israel? God came in judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah and Egypt and many other nations in the OT. Is it different because we are in the New Covenant ?
I do have a question regarding the unbeliever. I work and have worked for quite a few successful entertainers. Very successful and very rich materially. And one thing is that they are very prideful and egotistical. Very fleshly of course, etc. The Bible does talk of pride and then the fall. That one who exalts himself will be made humble. Is that verse referring to the elect or all mankind. Does it mean in their lifetime or the fall may happen afterwards?
Thanks,
H____
Hi H____,
You ask:
“So am I to understand that God is judging His own (elect) now and judgment will come later for the called as well as the unbelievers in the lake of fire?”
That is exactly right:
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [ I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [ his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [ is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [ is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [ is] as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [ are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [ the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Sodom and Gomorrah were types of judgment. The sacking of Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah was a type of judgment. All catastrophes that are physical, are mere foreshadowings of the true day of judgment. But all who are in Christ are living judgment day. They are the first to be judged. They are not in the middle or at the end. They are first:
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
The answer to Peter’s question is that all nations of all time will appear in the lake of fire for their day to be judged.
So long as babies are continuing to be born, death will never be destroyed. But verse 9 of Rev 20 tells us how God brings all flesh to an end so death can be destroyed and all men of all time can be saved in the lake of fire which immediately follows this post- millennial uprising. Satan was imprisoned for one thousand years just to bring this about.
All of this is already in the paper on the Law of Moses Versus The Law of The Spirit.
You also ask:
“The Bible does talk of pride and then the fall. That one who exalts himself will be made humble. Is that verse referring to the elect or all mankind? Does it mean in their lifetime or the fall may happen afterwards?”
All men of all time will “live by every word of God… and keep the sayings of the prophecy of this book.” The fire of the lake of fire is God’s Word and those in whom God’s Word abides.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
“Man” means all men of all time, elect and non- elect are judged by the exact same fiery Word of God. It is all a matter of timing and number of stripes, all decided “before the foundation of the world” by a sovereign God.
I hope this helps you to see what you say you see, that God truly is no respecter of persons.
Mike>
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- Leaving The Principles Of Eternal Judgment (January 13, 2009)
- Karma In The Bible (April 2, 2008)
- Judging Angels (June 15, 2010)
- Job 27:1-10 "Till I Die I Will Not Remove Mine Integrity From Me" (September 19, 2012)
- Job 23:1-17 "What His Soul Desires, Even That He Does" (August 25, 2012)
- Job 22:1-14 "Is It Any Pleasure to The Almighty That You Are Righteous?" (August 6, 2012)
- Job 21:18-34 "The Wicked Is Reserved To The Day of Destruction" (July 16, 2012)
- Job 21:1-17- "God Distributes Sorrow In His Anger" (July 16, 2012)
- Job 18:11-21 "This Is The Place of Him That Knoweth Not God" (June 10, 2012)
- Job 17 - "And Where Is Now My Hope?" (May 20, 2012)
- Job 16:12-22 - "He... Doth Not Spare" (May 20, 2012)
- Job 15:28-35 - "By The Breath of His Mouth Shall He Go Away" (May 5, 2012)
- Job 14:11-22 -"You Will Have a Desire To The Work of Your Hands" (April 8, 2012)
- Job 11:1-10 "Oh That God Would Speak, and Open His Lips Against Thee" (April 8, 2012)
- Job 10:1-10 "Show Me Why You [God] Contend With Me?" (January 27, 2012)
- Isaiah 2:6-14 - Enter Into The Rock (August 13, 2016)
- Isaiah 2:1-5 The Mountain of The Lord's House.. (August 7, 2016)
- Isaiah 29:17-24 They That Erred in Spirit Shall Come to Understanding (September 15, 2018)
- Isaiah 29:1-8 "I Will Distress Ariel, and There Shall Be Heaviness and Sorrow" (September 1, 2018)
- Isa 28:18-29 I Have Heard From The Lord God of Hosts a Consumption... (August 23, 2018)
- Is There a Seventh Heaven? (October 20, 2010)
- Is There a Kingdom to Come as Daniel Says? (June 11, 2018)
- Is Jesus Saving or Judging? (May 13, 2011)
- Is God Judging the World in This Age? (June 6, 2023)
- Is God Judging Us Today? (April 25, 2007)
- Is Everything Just Spiritual? (May 13, 2011)
- Is All of Gods Word Is_Was and Will be? (March 12, 2006)
- Intercourse With Animals (July 10, 2008)
- Infants Experiencing Good And Evil? (September 7, 2010)
- How Old Was Christ When He Died? (May 13, 2011)
- How Can Infants Be Judged? (April 6, 2008)
- He Who Loves His Life Will Lose It (September 6, 2004)
- He Shall Suffer Loss (July 29, 2004)
- Have I Committed the Unpardonable Sin? (March 20, 2020)
- Hated of Men Like Christ (August 1, 2010)
- Gospels in Harmony - Thou Art Not Far From the Kingdom of God (July 13, 2021)
- Gospels in Harmony - The Stone the Builder Rejected (June 15, 2021)
- Gospels in Harmony - The Final Appeal to Unbelievers, Part 2 (October 5, 2021)
- Gospels in Harmony - Our Lord’s Death is the Beginning of Our Life (September 20, 2022)
- Gospels in Harmony - Jesus Weeps (April 20, 2021)
- Gospels in Harmony - Jesus Foretells His Death a Third Time (February 2, 2021)
- God's Purpose for The Millennium (September 28, 2014)
- God's Four Sore Judgments - Part 7, The Pestilence (June 10, 2015)
- God's Four Sore Judgments - Part 4, Famine - B (May 16, 2015)
- God's Four Sore Judgments - Part 3, Famine - A (May 9, 2015)
- Galatians 4:10, Romans 14 and Colossians 2 (June 2, 2008)
- Free Will And Scripture (September 10, 2007)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis – Study 55 (July 24, 2014)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis – Study 28 (March 27, 2014)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis – Study 27 (March 27, 2014)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis – Study 25 (December 1, 2013)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis – Study 12 (August 24, 2013)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis - Study 99 (July 2, 2015)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis - Study 98 (June 25, 2015)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis - Study 96 (June 4, 2015)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis - Study 77 (January 8, 2015)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis - Study 119 (November 26, 2015)
- Foundational Themes in Genesis - Study 100 (July 9, 2015)
- Fiery Trials and The Lake of Fire (September 13, 2006)
- Ezekiel 7:1-27 The Day of the Wrath of the Lord (March 4, 2024)
- Ezekiel 5:1-17 Jerusalem will be Destroyed (February 19, 2024)
- Ezekiel 48:1–35 The Inheritance of the Saints (February 17, 2025)
- Ezekiel 32:1–16 A Lament Over Pharoah and Egypt (September 16, 2024)
- Ezekiel 31:1–18 Pharoah Shall Be Slain (September 9, 2024)
- Ezekiel 29:1-21 Prophesy Against Egypt (August 26, 2024)
- Ezekiel 28:1-26 The Judgment of the Prince of Tyre (August 19, 2024)
- Ezekiel 24:1-27 The Siege of Jerusalem and the Death of Ezekiel’s Wife (July 22, 2024)
- Ezekiel 21:1 – 32 We Shall Surely Face the Lord's Judgment (June 24, 2024)
- Ezekiel 20:1-25 For His Name’s Sake, we are not Consumed (June 10, 2024)
- Ezekiel 1:15 – 28 A Wheel Upon the Earth (January 29, 2024)
- Ezekiel 12:1-28 A Remnant Shall be Saved (April 8, 2024)
- Exo 23:1-19 Laws of Justice, Sabbath and Festivals (September 12, 2022)
- Exo 15:1-27 Thou hast Guided them in thy Strength unto thy Holy Habitation (June 27, 2022)
- Exiles in the Bible – "Outcasts" (September 28, 2024)
- Does God Forgive Continual Sinning? (October 22, 2011)
- Does God Claim To Be Fair? (November 18, 2009)
- Do God's Elect Partake of the Second Death/Lake of Fire? (December 8, 2018)
- Difference Between Aionios And Immortality (September 18, 2007)
- Did Christ Died Only for His Sheep? (May 13, 2011)
- Dealing With The Feelings Of Guilt (February 1, 2009)
- Daniel - Dan 6:1-28: And They Brought Daniel, and Cast Him into the Den of Lions (December 20, 2021)
- Daniel - Dan 10:1-21 Now I am Come to Make Thee Understand What Shall Befall thy People in the Latter Days (February 7, 2022)
- Dan 11:21-27 Be ye not troubled - Part 4 (May 30, 2024)
- Conscience – Summary, Part 16 (February 17, 2024)
- Concerning Thumos Versus Orge Wrath - Are We Children of Wrath? (August 30, 2016)
- Christ In The Father From The Beginning? (October 28, 2004)
- Book of Obadiah - Oba 1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. (August 28, 2024)
- Book of Jeremiah - Jer 51:49-64 Ye That Have Escaped [Babylon] Let Jerusalem Come Into Your Mind (October 29, 2022)
- Book of Jeremiah - Jer 49:23-39 In The Latter Days I will Bring Again the Captivity of Elam (September 10, 2022)
- Book of Jeremiah - Jer 49:11-22 No Man Shall Abide In Edom (September 3, 2022)
- Book of Jeremiah - Jer 46:15-28 The Daughter of Egypt… Shall be Delivered into the Hand of the People of the North (July 23, 2022)
- Book of Jeremiah - Jer 43:1-13 Nebuchadnezzar Is My Servant (June 18, 2022)
- Book of Jeremiah - Jer 33:14-26 David Shall Never Want for a Man on His Throne (March 19, 2022)
- Book of Jeremiah - Jer 33:1-13 They Shall Fear and Tremble... (March 12, 2022)
- Awesome Hands - part 72: “The judgments" - Part C (January 14, 2015)
- Awesome Hands - part 70: “The judgments" - Part A" (November 26, 2014)
- Awesome Hands - part 65: "The counsel of God" (September 10, 2014)
- Awesome Hands - part 58: "The Lord of the North" (June 11, 2014)
- Awesome Hands - part 53: "Not able to see the earth" (September 8, 2014)
- Awesome Hands - part 52: "To Show in You My Power" (September 8, 2014)
- Awesome Hands - part 51: "With Great Judgments" (September 8, 2014)
- Awesome Hands - part 48: "The magicians of Egypt" (November 20, 2013)
- Awesome Hands - part 47: "To know thy enemy" (November 13, 2013)
- Awesome Hands - part 46: "My name JEHOVAH was I not known to them" (November 13, 2013)
- Awesome Hands - part 39: "Whom thy brethren shall praise" (August 21, 2013)
- Are Unbelievers Already Justified? (March 9, 2010)
- Are The Goats Physically Alive At His Return? (March 10, 2010)
- Are Some Resurrected to Damnation in John 5:29? (July 29, 2016)
- Animals in Scripture - "Horse" (April 7, 2008)
- Acts 11:1-18 They That Were of the Circumcision Contended With [Peter] (April 1, 2023)
- 2Ki 3:1-27 "And this is <i>but</i> a Light Thing in the Sight of the LORD: He will Deliver the Moabites also into Your Hand" (August 11, 2022)
- 2Ki 25:1-12 "But the Captain of the Guard left of the Poor of the Land to be Vinedressers and Husbandmen" (May 18, 2023)
- "The Christ" and Times Aionios (May 5, 2007)
- "Second Resurrection" - Part 2 (May 18, 2018)
- "Second Resurrection" - Part 1 (May 11, 2018)
- "Exiles" in the Bible - Introduction (September 26, 2024)