Hi Mike,
For the past three days I have been relentlessly pursuing the truth about the Trinity. I want to know the truth even if it’s the opposite of what I’ve always believed. There is a couple of places that “hang me up”. I was wondering if you could help me answer a few things.
First of all, what Bible is closest to the Greek manuscripts? I’m so tired of learning all the things that have been added and taken out of my Bible. Why can’t I just have a Bible from someone who has no preconceived views? UGH!
Next: Here are the scriptures that stop me from completely throwing out the Trinity view. Joh 1:3 through him all things were made & Heb 1:2 …by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe – Gen 1 In the beginning God created… So if God created all these things but the first two scriptures say Jesus created these things, it leaves me confused again. I just want the truth.
Last but not least, I do not know where you got this below—THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD. That’s not what I read. And I don’t follow your point you are trying to make. The rest of the site is very informative.

Now let’s allow the risen Christ Himself to reveal to us His relationship to His Father. After all, it is He, not John, who is the revelator. Notice Rev 3:14 – And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD:
There it is! Christ Himself is calling Himself “the beginning of the creation of God.”

Thank you,
L____

Hi L____,
Thank you for writing us.
To answer your first question, there is no perfect translation. God is not in the business, at this time, of saving all of mankind. When He does set His hand to do that, He will get it done. But for now He is in the business of blinding those who see:

Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

One of the ways He is doing that is by giving us many translations with many mistakes. Translating the word ‘aion’ into ‘eternal, eternity, for ever and ever” etc. is but one such example. So do what I do. Download e- sword and look at the entry of every Greek word in question or every Hebrew word in question. When you do that, then the holy spirit will give you the meaning that was intended. There are no translations that can be trusted completely.
Now here is your first question concerning the trinity:

Next: Here are the scriptures that stop me from completely throwing out the Trinity view. Joh 1:3 through him all things were made & Heb 1:2 …by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe – Gen 1 In the beginning God created… So if God created all these things but the first two scriptures say Jesus created these things, it leaves me confused again. I just want the truth.

This one is easy because the scriptures reveal that Christ was given the name of “God”.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Who is the one giving Christ these incredible names?

Col 1:19 For it pleased [ the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;

No mention of a third person called ‘the holy ghost’. Here is what the Bible teaches concerning the invisible God head:

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

This is not speaking of the three parts of an egg, the three forms of water, or the three sexes we hear of today. Here is “the things that are made” referred to in scripture which specifically concern the “Godhead”

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [ is] the man; and the head of Christ is God.

“The head of Christ is God”. Now here is what we are told about that “God” and who He is in relationship to our Lord.

1Co 8:6 But to us [ there is but] one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and [ besides this “one God” there is also] one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

So the holy spirit is the spirit of “the Father, of whom are all things…” That is how Christ was conceived of His mother “of the holy spirit”.

Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Now you are going to have to get back with me on your second question. Here it is:

Last but not least, I do not know where you got this below—THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD. That’s not what I read. And I don’t follow your point you are trying tomake. The rest of the site is very informative.

Now let’s allow the risen Christ Himself to reveal to us His relationship to His Father. After all, it is He, not John, who is the revelator. Notice Rev 3:14 – And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD:
There it is! Christ Himself is calling Himself “the beginning of the creation of God.”

That is what it says. Here is the verse that says just that. I try never to say anything without the scripture to support every word.

Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

The point is that if “There is but one God, the Father, and all things of HIm”, then Christ must be the very first thing the Father created, and by Christ, calling Christ “the mighty God, the everlasting Father” Christ’s Father created the rest of creation.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [ they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

We were told in 1Co 8:6, that all things were “of the Father” and “by Christ”. Here we are being told the same thing, adding the fact that Christ is “the image of the invisible God”.
Why is this so? Is it because Christ is “co equal with God”? Absolutely not! There is only one reason Christ is all these things, and here is that reason, according to scripture:

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

I hope this all make this verse crystal clear to you.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

You are in my prayers. I pray you are given to place the Word of God above what men say about that Word.
Your brother in Christ,
Mike