Will Christ Ever Be Equal With God
Hi Mike,
I read your document and found it very compelling, but have a question as to what you believe the nature of Jesus Christ is. Do you believe in the dual nature, and so believe that Jesus is God? I have recently come out of the belief in the trinity, and have some thoughts on this, but would be very interested in hearing what you believe. Thank you in advance for your time.
J____
Hi J____,
Thank you for your question.
You ask:
I… have a question as to what you believe the nature of Jesus Christ is. Do you believe in the dual nature, and so believe that Jesus is God?
I am not certain what “dual nature” means, but to answer your question directly, yes, Jesus is God, as He said:
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
So yes, Christ did have a “dual nature”, in the same sense that we all have a dual nature when once we are “sealed with the holy spirit of promise”, and we too take on the “divine nature”.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
But the difference between Christ, who never sinned, and us, who do sin, is that Christ was not given the spirit “by measure” whereas we are all given a “measure of faith”.
Joh 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Christ doesn’t claim to be God the Father, from whom He came.
1Co 8:6 But to us [ and to me] there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and [ besides the “one God” there is also] one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Christ said, “If He called them gods… say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”
Before Christ came into this realm of death, we are told in Joh 10:36, that His Father “sanctified and sent” Him here, and since we are also told…
Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
… it is therefore clear that even before Christ came to this earth, His Father was “greater than [ He].”
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
This explains why Christ’s defense for claiming to be God’s son was ‘Ye are [ also] ‘gods’, so why are you upset with me for saying that I too, am a son of God?’
Notice He says in Joh 10:30, “I and my Father are one”. If indeed there were a third person of equal rank in the Godhead, Christ just gave him a slap in the face by totally ignoring him. But of course such is not the case. There is not one word of scripture to establish the holy spirit as a separate individual in the Godhead. The use of the pronoun “he’ is no more reason to say there is therefore a third person than Christ saying His words “are spirit”.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Does the fact that Christ’s words “are spirit” make them a separate person from Christ? What an absurd thought! But it is no more absurd than calling “the holy spirit of God” a separate person, simply because Christ personifies that spirit with the pronoun ‘he’ while explaining to His disciple how He, Christ, will be with and in them all after His death and resurrection.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
“My Father… ye… and ye in Me”. No mention of another part of the god head. Again, Christ Himself denies such a doctrine:
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
The trinitarians argue this was true only while Christ was in the flesh. But as we noted above, it was the Father who “sanctified” and “sent” Christ, before He was in the flesh. Besides all of that, the scriptures reveal that the holy spirit is simply “the holy spirit of God”.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
The scriptures also reveal that even now God the Father is “the head of Christ”, and Christ is not “co- equal” with His Father.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
So the “comforter… spirit of Truth” is the Father’s spirit which He has given to Christ to give to “reveal… the Father… to whom the Son will reveal Him”.
Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
Father and Son, but where is the holy spirit? Well, again, here he is:
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
That is where and what “the holy spirit” is. It is “the holy spirit of God”. But notice that the word ‘holy’ is not capitalized by the King James translators simply because they are blinded by their false trinitarian doctrine, and to capitalize the word ‘holy’ here would reveal their false doctrine.
So is Christ now equal with His Father, now that He is no longer in the flesh? Absolutely not. Many years after Christ’s death and resurrection we are told this about Christ’s relationship to His Father, now that He is back in a body of spirit:
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Christ’s head is God, His Father. God is not Christ’s Father simply because Christ came in the flesh. The Father is said to be “the Father of spirits”:
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto t he Father of spirits, and live?
So Christ was “of… the… one God, the Father… the Father of spirits”, before He ever came into this dying realm of the flesh. That is why He tells us plainly that He is “the beginning of the creation of God [ His Father]:”
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Let’s get it all together and see what we have:
Christ was “sanctified… and sent” of His Father.
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
He tells us “My Father is greater than I”…
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
… and He tells us He is “the beginning of the creation of God”:
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Add to all those Truths the fact that He “subjects” Himself to His Father at the end of the ages:
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
That years after His resurrection from the dead, we are told that “the head of Christ is God”:
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
That the holy spirit is said to be “the holy spirit of God”:
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Then we, with Christ, must agree that He is “the son of God” in the very same manner that “Ye are gods”.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
In conclusion we must also agree with the apostle Paul that:
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and [ besides that “one God, the Father, of whom are all things” there is also] one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
The word ‘by’ in that verse is the Greek word ‘dia’, and it means ‘through’ Him, through Christ.
I hope all these verses of scripture serve to make clear how the scriptures reveal the godhead to us. They reveal that Christ was “the beginning of the creation of God”, “the image of the invisible God”, created by His Father, who we are told is “the Father of spirits”, and that then “in… by… [ and] through Christ” all the rest “of the creation of God” came into being and “consists… in [ Christ]”:
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
“It please the Father”. If indeed there were a “third and equal” member of the godhead, both Christ and His apostles missed every opportunity to reveal that to us. But this all just serves to reveal clearly that there is no such thing as a trinity, and it also reveals clearly that Christ is the “image of the invisible God”, and no “image” is the actual thing it portrays.
Your brother in His service,
Mike
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